Totally agree. Said the same thing when Desmet first turned up with the thesis. Seemed an attempt to blame the ordinary person (German?) with the crimes of the elites (and where were they at Nuremberg?)
You make great points. I'd been wondering about Desmet for months when I saw his research CV and couldn't find anything close to this topic in his background. He hasn't published the word 'mass formation' anywhere yet he talks about it as "my research into". The 1930s Germany comparison falls short to what we're living today. Nobody mentions the geopolitical and economic origins at Versailles, the poverty, economic blockade, the bitterness, resentment, beer hall, false flags, so much happened that set the stage for that mass psychosis, analog methods of propaganda for one made it easy to control the message and unite the masses. The unifier of people/race/nation doesn't exist now either on the global terms they're operating from. We can do better Winston. We must do better. über alles!
Read this article today. Is it possible we were always, and always have been pathetically easy to manipulate?
“The tyrant, who in order to hold his power, suppresses every superiority, does away with good men, forbids education and light, controls every movement of the citizens and, keeping them under a perpetual servitude, wants them to grow accustomed to baseness and cowardice, has his spies everywhere to listen to what is said in the meetings, and spreads dissension and calumny among the citizens and impoverishes them, is obliged to make war in order to keep his subjects occupied and impose on them permanent need of a chief.”
~ Aristotle
What Aristotle understood about tyrants and the weakness and pathetic nature of man over 2,400 years ago, still holds true today. What this means is that with all that time passed, all that history, all the benefit of the great thinker’s minds over thousands of years, modern ‘education,’ modern technology, and every opportunity for a human awakening, the common man has not advanced intellectually, nor has he succeeded concerning any quest to affirm his own freedom. Reality suggests, in fact, that humanity has not actually progressed at all, but has descended deeper into a state of chaotic ignorance.
Well said (love the Aristotle quote). I'll check out the link. May I also encourage any of my readers who haven't checked out The Good Citizen, please do - https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/
Human nature is static. It does not change. Therefore, on many levels, the average Joe today has a lot in common with average Joe from 2400 years ago. Only difference is Joe today has a smartphone and social media, and watches tv.
I think human nature has been the same since that Joe from 2400 years ago, but there are biases, exaggerations and propensities that swing like the proverbial pendulum over the course of human history - look into Ian IcGilchrist's work in The Master and His Emissary - as a psychology grad you'll find it fascinating.
It would naive to believe that the Oligarchic rulers of the world, with hundreds of trillions of dollars at their disposal, do not have psychologists on staff. Thought control is their stock and trade. The foundation of all wealth is the labors of other people, the control of other people. Social media is a laboratory for the perfection of control techniques. Does this excuse those who were manipulated? Does it even mater? It is what it is, an escalation of the Oligarchic war on humanity.
I’m beginning to wonder if Trump wasn’t actually part of the whole plan, he played the role of troll perfectly. I think Americans and others who were most deeply affected by the Trump trolling efforts, or derangement syndrome, were the most vulnerable to the mass formation.
What really broke the spell for me was empathy I had for the forgotten and discarded working people who had turned to Trump, and the demonization of these people with no regard for their plight by the American left. Credit to Chris Hedges.
Not to get too cosmic, but I believe the morphic fields of our collective unconscious, where fundamental moralities and archetypes will always reside, may be the only hope. I think the Oligarchs understand this too and are taking active measures to suppress.
In my opinion the lack of criticism of all the talk about this so called mass formation is more troubling. I'm no expert. Just some psychology graduate. But this excessive talk taking place is getting old. I agree with the guy who said it's a red herring. There is zero reason to talk of psychosis with regard to covid compliance. People (the majority of them) always comply with what their governments tell them. So it's just business as usual. It was refreshing to find somebody who started to raise some questions about this.
I'll also add that it has to be the biggest irony in the universe when people on the internet discuss opinions about delusions and psychosis and then they make prayers or say they put their faith in God - (since he doesn't exist, obviously). Long story short, people are dumb as dirt, always been and always will be.
I agree with the first half of your comment, but have to disagree with the second - I'm obviously in the 'dumb as dirt' category because I put my faith in God, whom I believe does exist, obviously ;-)
Jan 17, 2022·edited Jan 17, 2022Liked by Winston Smith
Just to clear things up, and I mean it, as I didn't mean to offend a group in particular, apologies for the ambiguity. I include all mortals including atheists in my dumb as dirt cathegory. (I did say "people", not just believers.) Believers are just indoctrinated and deluded but most atheists I've interacted with are arrogant and think that just because they got theology right, they are rational and logical all the time. Most of them exhibit the same religious behaviours and cognitive biases, only to different gods, like Science.
I am atheist but I am aware I am very much flawed and have a lot to learn and figure out. We can all take something good from somebody different from us, and discard what is incompatible with us.
Jan 7, 2022·edited Jan 7, 2022Liked by Winston Smith
This phenomenon is touched upon in Laura Dodsworth's book 'A State of Fear'. She has referenced it again in a recent post (https://lauradodsworth.substack.com/p/is-this-a-global-psychic-epidemic), where she shares a passage from Jung's book 'The Undiscovered Self'. In the quoted section, he mentions 'mass formation'.
"“Under the influence of scientific assumptions, not only the psyche but the individual man and, indeed, all individual events whatsoever suffer a levelling down and a process of blurring that distorts the picture of reality into a conceptual average. We ought not to underestimate the psychological effect of the statistical world picture: it displaces the individual in favour of anonymous units that pile up into mass formations."
I listened to the audio book of A State of Fear - was excellent! I'll have to dig into Jung again as I've missed this reference to mass formation. Thanks TJ.
Yes I just saw that - they are showing their hand as a major propagandist in the most transparent way possible - unfortunately many are so deeply hypnotised they can't see it.
Totally agree. Said the same thing when Desmet first turned up with the thesis. Seemed an attempt to blame the ordinary person (German?) with the crimes of the elites (and where were they at Nuremberg?)
You make great points. I'd been wondering about Desmet for months when I saw his research CV and couldn't find anything close to this topic in his background. He hasn't published the word 'mass formation' anywhere yet he talks about it as "my research into". The 1930s Germany comparison falls short to what we're living today. Nobody mentions the geopolitical and economic origins at Versailles, the poverty, economic blockade, the bitterness, resentment, beer hall, false flags, so much happened that set the stage for that mass psychosis, analog methods of propaganda for one made it easy to control the message and unite the masses. The unifier of people/race/nation doesn't exist now either on the global terms they're operating from. We can do better Winston. We must do better. über alles!
Read this article today. Is it possible we were always, and always have been pathetically easy to manipulate?
“The tyrant, who in order to hold his power, suppresses every superiority, does away with good men, forbids education and light, controls every movement of the citizens and, keeping them under a perpetual servitude, wants them to grow accustomed to baseness and cowardice, has his spies everywhere to listen to what is said in the meetings, and spreads dissension and calumny among the citizens and impoverishes them, is obliged to make war in order to keep his subjects occupied and impose on them permanent need of a chief.”
~ Aristotle
What Aristotle understood about tyrants and the weakness and pathetic nature of man over 2,400 years ago, still holds true today. What this means is that with all that time passed, all that history, all the benefit of the great thinker’s minds over thousands of years, modern ‘education,’ modern technology, and every opportunity for a human awakening, the common man has not advanced intellectually, nor has he succeeded concerning any quest to affirm his own freedom. Reality suggests, in fact, that humanity has not actually progressed at all, but has descended deeper into a state of chaotic ignorance.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/01/gary-d-barnett/humanity-as-it-exists-today-is-facing-extinction-an-inevitable-threat/
Well said (love the Aristotle quote). I'll check out the link. May I also encourage any of my readers who haven't checked out The Good Citizen, please do - https://thegoodcitizen.substack.com/
Human nature is static. It does not change. Therefore, on many levels, the average Joe today has a lot in common with average Joe from 2400 years ago. Only difference is Joe today has a smartphone and social media, and watches tv.
I think human nature has been the same since that Joe from 2400 years ago, but there are biases, exaggerations and propensities that swing like the proverbial pendulum over the course of human history - look into Ian IcGilchrist's work in The Master and His Emissary - as a psychology grad you'll find it fascinating.
It would naive to believe that the Oligarchic rulers of the world, with hundreds of trillions of dollars at their disposal, do not have psychologists on staff. Thought control is their stock and trade. The foundation of all wealth is the labors of other people, the control of other people. Social media is a laboratory for the perfection of control techniques. Does this excuse those who were manipulated? Does it even mater? It is what it is, an escalation of the Oligarchic war on humanity.
I’m beginning to wonder if Trump wasn’t actually part of the whole plan, he played the role of troll perfectly. I think Americans and others who were most deeply affected by the Trump trolling efforts, or derangement syndrome, were the most vulnerable to the mass formation.
What really broke the spell for me was empathy I had for the forgotten and discarded working people who had turned to Trump, and the demonization of these people with no regard for their plight by the American left. Credit to Chris Hedges.
Not to get too cosmic, but I believe the morphic fields of our collective unconscious, where fundamental moralities and archetypes will always reside, may be the only hope. I think the Oligarchs understand this too and are taking active measures to suppress.
ALWAYS, always, be leery of sudden populism.
Anyway, I diss psychology.
Now I skip over any reference to this mass thingy.... (notice I don't play their games by using their terms and words?)
Is it too meta to say that mass formation has now turned into its own psyop?
Probably not, but then very strange things have been happening of late - anything is possible.
In my opinion the lack of criticism of all the talk about this so called mass formation is more troubling. I'm no expert. Just some psychology graduate. But this excessive talk taking place is getting old. I agree with the guy who said it's a red herring. There is zero reason to talk of psychosis with regard to covid compliance. People (the majority of them) always comply with what their governments tell them. So it's just business as usual. It was refreshing to find somebody who started to raise some questions about this.
I'll also add that it has to be the biggest irony in the universe when people on the internet discuss opinions about delusions and psychosis and then they make prayers or say they put their faith in God - (since he doesn't exist, obviously). Long story short, people are dumb as dirt, always been and always will be.
I agree with the first half of your comment, but have to disagree with the second - I'm obviously in the 'dumb as dirt' category because I put my faith in God, whom I believe does exist, obviously ;-)
Just to clear things up, and I mean it, as I didn't mean to offend a group in particular, apologies for the ambiguity. I include all mortals including atheists in my dumb as dirt cathegory. (I did say "people", not just believers.) Believers are just indoctrinated and deluded but most atheists I've interacted with are arrogant and think that just because they got theology right, they are rational and logical all the time. Most of them exhibit the same religious behaviours and cognitive biases, only to different gods, like Science.
I am atheist but I am aware I am very much flawed and have a lot to learn and figure out. We can all take something good from somebody different from us, and discard what is incompatible with us.
This phenomenon is touched upon in Laura Dodsworth's book 'A State of Fear'. She has referenced it again in a recent post (https://lauradodsworth.substack.com/p/is-this-a-global-psychic-epidemic), where she shares a passage from Jung's book 'The Undiscovered Self'. In the quoted section, he mentions 'mass formation'.
"“Under the influence of scientific assumptions, not only the psyche but the individual man and, indeed, all individual events whatsoever suffer a levelling down and a process of blurring that distorts the picture of reality into a conceptual average. We ought not to underestimate the psychological effect of the statistical world picture: it displaces the individual in favour of anonymous units that pile up into mass formations."
I listened to the audio book of A State of Fear - was excellent! I'll have to dig into Jung again as I've missed this reference to mass formation. Thanks TJ.
Twitter now blocking a member of the UK’s Vaccine Confidence Project. How ironic.
https://nakedemperor.substack.com/p/twitter-police-censoring-a-member
Yes I just saw that - they are showing their hand as a major propagandist in the most transparent way possible - unfortunately many are so deeply hypnotised they can't see it.
Desmet said it's "mass formation" , not psychosis.
But fucking Dr Malone added psychosis.
The fact checkers say that "mass formation psychosis" is not an established term.
Good job Dr Malone, you dolt, or limited hangout!