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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Atheism is as much a religion as theism.

Both groups believe they will find "absolute truth".

The atheists seek it in their idea of material perfection. (Transhumanism etc)

The theists seek it in their idea of perfection of the afterlife. (Heaven, other realities, etc)

Keep in mind that the previous "utopia" was dreamt up by monotheism...

Whoever runs the nations use this in order to get away with their fleecing of the people.

I liked Nietzsche. He seemed to channel the true open minded questioning of reality and social order. No fake answers, just observations on what is, what is illusion, and what is unknown.

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Grant Smith's avatar

You're right about radical atheists, but not about atheism generally. I consider the position Harris takes as a sort of straw man. His book trying to scientifically prove what is objectively moral? Outrageously stupid. David Hume's insights along with the rest of the Scottish Enlightenment couldn't be more clear as to the necessity of dividing ought from is. The purview of science is to examine and understand what is. What ought to be is not within the realm of scientific inquiry. To discover this, you need to look within. Theists look within and see God, I prefer materialist explanations for what I find, but that does not make what is there any less profound. The trap that Harris and his ilk fall into is attempting to universalize value. This is not reasonable in the absence of a divine. In the absence of a God, value can only be subjective. Without this fundamental error in reason, atheism and Christianity can exist in harmony under the banner of Americanism. For an expansion of this idea see this article that is of no interest except to a very particular audience that includes the likes of you and Luc Koch: https://radicalamerican.substack.com/p/god-and-country

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