The piece suffers from not carefully explaining it's use of the very constested word "Rationalism". It should be noted that the rationalist current is an epistemoligical one where the continental rationalist school argued against the british empiricists as to which way one ould find true knowledge.
So an emphasis on rationalism is an emphasis on logic and by extension mathematics to reach conclusions. Which worth noting is the only viable path to reach the divine as God certainly won't be found under the microscope.
So this new atheism, is in reality anti-rational and dominated by empiricists who reject logic and reason while claiming to be it's champions. In opposition one should argue a rationalist perspective where logic and reason lead straight to the Divine, which would be either Catholic/Aristotelian or Platonist/Neo-platonist thought.
Sam Harris has a PhD in neuroscience. So his approach and angle is through the mind rather than a devotional approach. He does some meditation and has been interested in Buddhism, particularly Vipassana. He has a chapter on mediation in his book, Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without
Religion. The focus is on mindfulness which supposedly increases well-being including different areas of health such as decreasing anxiety and depression. This involves observing
the nature of your own mind, to train it as usually little time is spent in the present moment.
He does appeal to those who have rejected religion and who perhaps think or hope this may give them the benefits of spirituality.
My observation is it is just ‘mind stuff’ and will just take you round and round in circles.
I know someone who follows what he prescribes and this person seems to be getting angrier and more and more frustrated, but appears to be determined to prove this is the ‘way’.
I found Sam Harris’ waking up app to be phenomenally instrumental in helping me be more present and aware of what’s going on inside my mind.
But it also seemed clear that Sam was determined to erase any notion of the self or any concept of striving or order at all. My own reflection on meditation experiences convinced me that God communicates to me in every single moment, by means of conscious exprience.
I’ve tried to integrate as many great thinkers as I can, and Sam’s work seems to be useful as a series of tools, but the philosophy he champions around that tooling doesn’t seem to make him happier or at peace. He’s like a frustrated prophet upset they people aren’t following his nonexistent God.
Awe in the face of creation is innate. Belief in the divine is a lot older than civilization. Sam revealed the poverty of his belief contemplating Covid. As you say, atheists have little to offer us, as faith in the system and those who lead us is collapsing. People will increasingly turn toward God in whatever form the more challenging life becomes. Something like the second religiosity of Spengler.
Both groups believe they will find "absolute truth".
The atheists seek it in their idea of material perfection. (Transhumanism etc)
The theists seek it in their idea of perfection of the afterlife. (Heaven, other realities, etc)
Keep in mind that the previous "utopia" was dreamt up by monotheism...
Whoever runs the nations use this in order to get away with their fleecing of the people.
I liked Nietzsche. He seemed to channel the true open minded questioning of reality and social order. No fake answers, just observations on what is, what is illusion, and what is unknown.
Atheism is not as much of a religion as theism because one is a belief system and the other is not.
You cannot lump all atheists together, because "I don't believe a god or gods exists is not a claim." any more than you could say all people who don't collect stamps believe email is the most superior form of communication on earth.
Sam Harris is a douchebag and I can't stand him btw. Long before he became a vaccine enthusiast
Don't forget that atheism believes there's nothing else. It's as strong as believing that there must be something else.
As for the morons like Harris, Jordan Peterson is a piece of crap. Despite his bullshit about freedom and so on, months ago he was telling people to just get the damn shot. People think he's cool now because he's against the jabs. Ok, why was he not always against coercion? That's because he's an opportunist piece of crap who has no clue what he pretends to stand for, just like Harris, a shell of an ideal.
Fk Jordan Peterson, if like the left, a fear of a stupid pandemic causes him to forget freedom in favor of "global health".
Maybe not by your definition of god. I'm not talking about some cosmic boogeyman dead beat dad that lives outside of existence.
The God I see is in a tree, /
In every flower, in every bee. /
It's spirit moves in every stream, /
Even in your waking dream. /
You ask me if I ever pray /
I do with every word I say/
Every word is a prayer/
Cause like I said, It's everywhere /
Can't wake you up /
Can't make you hear /
Can't make you see /
Can't stop your fear /
All I can do is lend a hand /
It's up to you to understand.
So as far as I can tell proof exist all around us and everything that exist is part of that proof.
I think that most atheist agree with religious fundamentalist on the definition of god. One says, "Is not" and the other says, "Is too." They have a lot more in common than they care to admit. Saying that often angers atheists because they imagine themselves to be so much smarter than fundies. I do acknowledge that some atheists are more spiritually developed, more ethical than some fundies but the reverse is also true.
I'm pantheistic. Even if I'm 100% wrong I'm not hurting anyone because to me everyone is part of What Is. I wasn't always this crazy. Once I was an atheist.
You're right about radical atheists, but not about atheism generally. I consider the position Harris takes as a sort of straw man. His book trying to scientifically prove what is objectively moral? Outrageously stupid. David Hume's insights along with the rest of the Scottish Enlightenment couldn't be more clear as to the necessity of dividing ought from is. The purview of science is to examine and understand what is. What ought to be is not within the realm of scientific inquiry. To discover this, you need to look within. Theists look within and see God, I prefer materialist explanations for what I find, but that does not make what is there any less profound. The trap that Harris and his ilk fall into is attempting to universalize value. This is not reasonable in the absence of a divine. In the absence of a God, value can only be subjective. Without this fundamental error in reason, atheism and Christianity can exist in harmony under the banner of Americanism. For an expansion of this idea see this article that is of no interest except to a very particular audience that includes the likes of you and Luc Koch: https://radicalamerican.substack.com/p/god-and-country
I have to add, you should reconsider Jordan Peterson as an opportunist. I post this because you HAD to state how you agree with him. I agree with "him" but Jordan is an illusion.
I state my case here.
For a long while, he said take the damn shot. He didn't care about freedom then, because he was brainwashed about safety. Just get the damn shot, its good bro, I'm a free thinker from alberta who has a tit job teaching that lets me make money on the side talking to people like you.
Now, it's cool to be against the shot, and he saw that sign and that's why he was months late to challenge the totalitarian story. WHY DID PETERSON FORGET ABOUT COERCION DURING THE PERIOD WHERE HE STILL PUSHED THE CRAP? EVEN IF HE BELIEVED IN THE SHOT HE HAS NO FKIN RIGHT TO GUILT TRIP PEOPLE INTO DOING IT, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN SO CALLED IDEALS. WHAT A LYING SACK OF SHIT!
Sorry, Peterson belongs in the same bin as Harris, an opportunist idiot.
Just look around, he's a moron who followed authority while claiming he fought it. He's a forever coward . You would think someone of his stature would know that taking the shot would be like folding to the work camp guards. But no, he is immune from his own stupidity and those who walked behind him trusting the shots. I don't just blame him but every one else like him who walked into this mess, making it harder for those of us who said no from the beginning. And I don't have a cushy well paid teaching job plus savings like him, but he still went and got the shot. Why is his judgement still trusted when called at the start he folded???
I almost lost my job for saying NO, while he folded. But he's the hero that tells ME to clean my room? Oh yeah did you know he OD'ed on benzos? He's a fake piece of shit. I don't need to argue if you think he's the best, hes a fucking hipocrite like many other false heroes thrusted onto those of us who face the system. Am I bitter that he folded so early and left me cold? YES, because he was so stupid that he thought the shot wasn't dangerous and that's why he ignored all signals and DID IT. I'm done with Peterson as any other fake hero that talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk even when it was paved for him. He's a spoiled brat.
I did look around, I don't disagree with what you say about him and his having taken the shot but "search the internet until you figure out I'm right" is not how this works.
You said he told people to get the shot do it's your responsibility to prove that to be true. Maybe he did, I'm NOT saying he didn't because of course no one can preuve suivi a claim. I'm only saying I've never seen him say that.
Whatever he said, you wanna fidget around thats fine. Bring up more legal terms. Maybe you have one for a guy who is so called pro individual freedom who sells those of us out that didn't want a needle in us.
He got the shot PERIOD. He fell for the bullshit. I don't trust his judgement and I don't trust yours either.
You have the right to distrust me.
My record stands, as soon as I saw chomsky speak against 9/11 truth, I cancelled him. Same with Assange. Why is it so hard for people to apply the same logic to convid vaccines with Peterson or any other lying idiot celebrity?
If he was the smart guy you believed in, why the hell did he get the shot in the first place?
What influence do you think that gave his followers? He's a coward just like Sam Harris, Chomsky, Assange and any other fake hero.
Left brained thinking morons, the lot of them.
Here you go if you care to get your proof... and feel free to follow the source videos if you think its a conspiracy against him. I didn't need to, I already felt like he fked me over when he folded.
The promotion of atheism is intended to create a vacuum - one that will eventually (and inevitably) be filled with something else. I don't know what the "something else" is, but I don't think it is anything wholesome.
The piece suffers from not carefully explaining it's use of the very constested word "Rationalism". It should be noted that the rationalist current is an epistemoligical one where the continental rationalist school argued against the british empiricists as to which way one ould find true knowledge.
So an emphasis on rationalism is an emphasis on logic and by extension mathematics to reach conclusions. Which worth noting is the only viable path to reach the divine as God certainly won't be found under the microscope.
So this new atheism, is in reality anti-rational and dominated by empiricists who reject logic and reason while claiming to be it's champions. In opposition one should argue a rationalist perspective where logic and reason lead straight to the Divine, which would be either Catholic/Aristotelian or Platonist/Neo-platonist thought.
Sam Harris has a PhD in neuroscience. So his approach and angle is through the mind rather than a devotional approach. He does some meditation and has been interested in Buddhism, particularly Vipassana. He has a chapter on mediation in his book, Waking Up: A Guide to Spirituality Without
Religion. The focus is on mindfulness which supposedly increases well-being including different areas of health such as decreasing anxiety and depression. This involves observing
the nature of your own mind, to train it as usually little time is spent in the present moment.
He does appeal to those who have rejected religion and who perhaps think or hope this may give them the benefits of spirituality.
My observation is it is just ‘mind stuff’ and will just take you round and round in circles.
I know someone who follows what he prescribes and this person seems to be getting angrier and more and more frustrated, but appears to be determined to prove this is the ‘way’.
I found Sam Harris’ waking up app to be phenomenally instrumental in helping me be more present and aware of what’s going on inside my mind.
But it also seemed clear that Sam was determined to erase any notion of the self or any concept of striving or order at all. My own reflection on meditation experiences convinced me that God communicates to me in every single moment, by means of conscious exprience.
I’ve tried to integrate as many great thinkers as I can, and Sam’s work seems to be useful as a series of tools, but the philosophy he champions around that tooling doesn’t seem to make him happier or at peace. He’s like a frustrated prophet upset they people aren’t following his nonexistent God.
Awe in the face of creation is innate. Belief in the divine is a lot older than civilization. Sam revealed the poverty of his belief contemplating Covid. As you say, atheists have little to offer us, as faith in the system and those who lead us is collapsing. People will increasingly turn toward God in whatever form the more challenging life becomes. Something like the second religiosity of Spengler.
https://williamhunterduncan.substack.com/p/god-and-science
Atheism is as much a religion as theism.
Both groups believe they will find "absolute truth".
The atheists seek it in their idea of material perfection. (Transhumanism etc)
The theists seek it in their idea of perfection of the afterlife. (Heaven, other realities, etc)
Keep in mind that the previous "utopia" was dreamt up by monotheism...
Whoever runs the nations use this in order to get away with their fleecing of the people.
I liked Nietzsche. He seemed to channel the true open minded questioning of reality and social order. No fake answers, just observations on what is, what is illusion, and what is unknown.
Atheism is not as much of a religion as theism because one is a belief system and the other is not.
You cannot lump all atheists together, because "I don't believe a god or gods exists is not a claim." any more than you could say all people who don't collect stamps believe email is the most superior form of communication on earth.
Sam Harris is a douchebag and I can't stand him btw. Long before he became a vaccine enthusiast
Don't forget that atheism believes there's nothing else. It's as strong as believing that there must be something else.
As for the morons like Harris, Jordan Peterson is a piece of crap. Despite his bullshit about freedom and so on, months ago he was telling people to just get the damn shot. People think he's cool now because he's against the jabs. Ok, why was he not always against coercion? That's because he's an opportunist piece of crap who has no clue what he pretends to stand for, just like Harris, a shell of an ideal.
Fk Jordan Peterson, if like the left, a fear of a stupid pandemic causes him to forget freedom in favor of "global health".
"Don't forget that atheism believes there's nothing else. It's as strong as believing that there must be something else."
Oh really? Could you explain how you came to this conclusion?
How does "I don't believe Gods exist" become ""There's nothing else,"?
I don't collect stamps does not mean I collect nothing else.
True atheists are simplistic fools. It's absolutely mind boggling that they imagine themselves to be intelligent.
How is belief in a 'god' is a sign of intelligence?
I didn't say it was.
If those who don't believe in a God are 'simplistic fools' who believe themselves to be intelligent, how do you see believers?
Believers -- a mix of all types.
Knowers -- intelligent
What do they 'know' and how do they 'know' it?
They know what is Self evident to them. If not to you that's fine.
What's a "true atheist"?
If at all possible, please use any sort of evidence you can come up with to support this simplistic claim.
What is so simplistic about saying "I don't believe the claim of Theism because there is and has never been any conclusive proof of god(s)"?
Maybe not by your definition of god. I'm not talking about some cosmic boogeyman dead beat dad that lives outside of existence.
The God I see is in a tree, /
In every flower, in every bee. /
It's spirit moves in every stream, /
Even in your waking dream. /
You ask me if I ever pray /
I do with every word I say/
Every word is a prayer/
Cause like I said, It's everywhere /
Can't wake you up /
Can't make you hear /
Can't make you see /
Can't stop your fear /
All I can do is lend a hand /
It's up to you to understand.
So as far as I can tell proof exist all around us and everything that exist is part of that proof.
I think that most atheist agree with religious fundamentalist on the definition of god. One says, "Is not" and the other says, "Is too." They have a lot more in common than they care to admit. Saying that often angers atheists because they imagine themselves to be so much smarter than fundies. I do acknowledge that some atheists are more spiritually developed, more ethical than some fundies but the reverse is also true.
I'm pantheistic. Even if I'm 100% wrong I'm not hurting anyone because to me everyone is part of What Is. I wasn't always this crazy. Once I was an atheist.
"I do not believe that atheism as a belief system can stand."
What does Atheism espouse?
No matter how much you all want to change the definition of the word, if still means one thing:
A lack of a belief in a Deity.
A = latin prefix for without
theism - belief system that holds a god or gods exist.
I don't believe your claim is not a belief system anymore than not believing in fairies is one.
Theists: there's a god.
Atheist: I don't believe that
Everyone: that's totally a religion.
You're right about radical atheists, but not about atheism generally. I consider the position Harris takes as a sort of straw man. His book trying to scientifically prove what is objectively moral? Outrageously stupid. David Hume's insights along with the rest of the Scottish Enlightenment couldn't be more clear as to the necessity of dividing ought from is. The purview of science is to examine and understand what is. What ought to be is not within the realm of scientific inquiry. To discover this, you need to look within. Theists look within and see God, I prefer materialist explanations for what I find, but that does not make what is there any less profound. The trap that Harris and his ilk fall into is attempting to universalize value. This is not reasonable in the absence of a divine. In the absence of a God, value can only be subjective. Without this fundamental error in reason, atheism and Christianity can exist in harmony under the banner of Americanism. For an expansion of this idea see this article that is of no interest except to a very particular audience that includes the likes of you and Luc Koch: https://radicalamerican.substack.com/p/god-and-country
I have to add, you should reconsider Jordan Peterson as an opportunist. I post this because you HAD to state how you agree with him. I agree with "him" but Jordan is an illusion.
I state my case here.
For a long while, he said take the damn shot. He didn't care about freedom then, because he was brainwashed about safety. Just get the damn shot, its good bro, I'm a free thinker from alberta who has a tit job teaching that lets me make money on the side talking to people like you.
Now, it's cool to be against the shot, and he saw that sign and that's why he was months late to challenge the totalitarian story. WHY DID PETERSON FORGET ABOUT COERCION DURING THE PERIOD WHERE HE STILL PUSHED THE CRAP? EVEN IF HE BELIEVED IN THE SHOT HE HAS NO FKIN RIGHT TO GUILT TRIP PEOPLE INTO DOING IT, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN SO CALLED IDEALS. WHAT A LYING SACK OF SHIT!
Sorry, Peterson belongs in the same bin as Harris, an opportunist idiot.
I've looked and I don't see Peterson having said he was for forced or coerced vaccination, only that he regrets being vaccinated.
That he got vaccinated at all is pretty bad by itself, for sure, but I just haven't seen him advocating for the things you say.
Could you link to them? I'd love to show this to a couple of friends but telling Rob from 137 told me probably won't sway then.
Just look around, he's a moron who followed authority while claiming he fought it. He's a forever coward . You would think someone of his stature would know that taking the shot would be like folding to the work camp guards. But no, he is immune from his own stupidity and those who walked behind him trusting the shots. I don't just blame him but every one else like him who walked into this mess, making it harder for those of us who said no from the beginning. And I don't have a cushy well paid teaching job plus savings like him, but he still went and got the shot. Why is his judgement still trusted when called at the start he folded???
I almost lost my job for saying NO, while he folded. But he's the hero that tells ME to clean my room? Oh yeah did you know he OD'ed on benzos? He's a fake piece of shit. I don't need to argue if you think he's the best, hes a fucking hipocrite like many other false heroes thrusted onto those of us who face the system. Am I bitter that he folded so early and left me cold? YES, because he was so stupid that he thought the shot wasn't dangerous and that's why he ignored all signals and DID IT. I'm done with Peterson as any other fake hero that talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk even when it was paved for him. He's a spoiled brat.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/jordan-peterson-said-he-was-lied-to-ill-get-the-vaccine-you-f-ing-leave-me-alone-and-did-that-work-no
I did look around, I don't disagree with what you say about him and his having taken the shot but "search the internet until you figure out I'm right" is not how this works.
You said he told people to get the shot do it's your responsibility to prove that to be true. Maybe he did, I'm NOT saying he didn't because of course no one can preuve suivi a claim. I'm only saying I've never seen him say that.
Whatever he said, you wanna fidget around thats fine. Bring up more legal terms. Maybe you have one for a guy who is so called pro individual freedom who sells those of us out that didn't want a needle in us.
He got the shot PERIOD. He fell for the bullshit. I don't trust his judgement and I don't trust yours either.
You have the right to distrust me.
My record stands, as soon as I saw chomsky speak against 9/11 truth, I cancelled him. Same with Assange. Why is it so hard for people to apply the same logic to convid vaccines with Peterson or any other lying idiot celebrity?
If he was the smart guy you believed in, why the hell did he get the shot in the first place?
What influence do you think that gave his followers? He's a coward just like Sam Harris, Chomsky, Assange and any other fake hero.
Left brained thinking morons, the lot of them.
Here you go if you care to get your proof... and feel free to follow the source videos if you think its a conspiracy against him. I didn't need to, I already felt like he fked me over when he folded.
https://hugotalks.com/2021/06/05/jordan-peterson-says-get-the-damned-vaccine-hugo-talks-lockdown/
The promotion of atheism is intended to create a vacuum - one that will eventually (and inevitably) be filled with something else. I don't know what the "something else" is, but I don't think it is anything wholesome.
Remember when the new atheists tried to rebrand themselves as ‘brights’? That was funny.
And Hicks failed at the first hurdle when he couldn’t bring himself to critique the hilariously hackish views on Kant by his goddess, Ayn Rand.